Horse Health

BLM Horses Don’t Founder

By Steven Long ~ Editor/Publisher of Horseback Magazine

Laws of Nature do NOT Apply to the BLM

Twin Peaks Stampede Victim ~ Photo by Leslie Peeples

HOUSTON, (Horseback) – When Horseback Magazine asked the federal Bureau of Land Management for a report on the number of horses suffering from laminitis after being stampeded by a roaring helicopter, we actually expected an answer. What we got instead was a tap dance.

“The proportion of horses that show evidence of hoof soreness, bruising, or abscesses following gathers varies quite a bit depending on range conditions, the terrain, time of year, snow cover, and so on. We don’t typically use the terms “laminitis” or “founder” to describe these horses, as that can be confusing to people who associate those terms only with problems related to grass founder or too much grain, “said BLM Washington spokesman Tom Gorey.

“That reply made no sense,” former Horseback Magazine veterinary columnist Dr. Angela Chenault said in an email after reading the government statement. “Call me.”

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    • Next they will say the horse thought it was a Pegasus. Not our fault, he thought he could fly! Might as well make the lies colorful and humorous.

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      • Sorry, actually there is no humor in that. But, its just about as absurd as many of their claims and comments are.

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  1. Seriously, anyone really surprised by those STOOOOPIDDDDDD remarks?!?!

    I’m not.

    After all, these people are NOT horsemen and they don’t manage the wild equines as a part of the ecosystem they are charged with caring for. There is NOTHING “multiple-use” about the WH&B program anywhere in the activities past, present and future at DOI, USDA or the state thugs murdering our national symbol of freedom.

    I’m glad we have it in our official records and hope it will be used in litigation and our letter campaigns.

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  2. I guess it is time for the campaign to get bigger and louder and National and have a big
    public fundraiser. Any one have any ideas?? We should be talking more and planning lots. mar

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    • Ideas? More auctions as just had on The Cloud Foundation >>>$$$$$. More rallies, and this time all on the same day, in cities, towns, across the nation. Powerful impact. And we have a “uniform” shirt…shows we are an organized, large grassroots organization. A recognizable symbol as we continue for the Wild Ones.

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  3. Yes it is a sad state the BLM and their treament of wild horses. I am sure they know what road founder is and how to make road founder a reality. Concussion damage caused to horses hooves!

    What is even sadder is there are professional horsemen and woman in the BLM and the BLM does have real Vets.

    Yet ALL of them are wussies or afraid (imo) and not one of them stands up for the wild horses and says stop causing road founder.

    I ask them the question quite a few times…which one of the BLM professionals runs their private owned heavy pregnant mares for miles and miles?? what BLM vet runs their foals or even older private horses over hard rock and lava rock??

    what if a BLM Vets neighbor was out on a street with their foal running it for loops around the neighborhood. And they know thats a crime and people would call the police and charge that person with a crime.
    Why BLM is it ok to do this to wild horses..yet I am sure it would be a crime in your cities and towns? you’d be charged with a crime BLM wouldn’t you?

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  4. Thanks Steve. I’d have better luck pulling my own arm off than you will getting a straight answer out of BLM. How to avoid public scrutiny? Don’t keep records. Mar, we do need to bring in a better supply of dollars. I think we should wrack our little brain cells and try to come up with a national fundraiser. Hmmmm, thinking, thinking, thinking….

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  5. to me what is amazing is the way the BLM constantly say:

    “non gather related…(after the mustangs perish in the corrals…)

    hardy har har…to the moon with the blm ! ps anyone see the video of the two BLM workers “hi five each other because they “saved a foal…I think the foal ending up dying anyway…

    nice try fellas ! pps you don’t “rope a foal; this can injure the foal !

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  6. I would like people to understand..these horses are pregathered..pushed to an area before the actual last push to the gather pens- it was acknowleded by Tara our guide, a very nice person,..The helicopter flew on Monday to spot horses-wed. a herd of around 12 to 15 horses who hang in the area of the lamb ranch(verififiedby the ranch owner ..a very nice man who loves the wild horses on his ranch), were gathered from less than 1/4 mile..this included plutos band. 3 times between 6:30 am and 12:30pm the helicopter took off to bring horses in..always in the same direction they went and came back with horses..the second herd had around 50 horses, many bands, you could tell on the first herd they went directly to where they had dropped the horses from the pregather..and whoops they had headed back toward their territory over that 24 hours-as the helicopter buzzed the junipers looking for them circling and then finnally took off over the hills when he could not find them..It was one of those momments you savor….but you can tell these horses are worn out from the pregather effects…in the way they travel and there ability to “now” defey being pushed by the helicopter..I watched horses try to hide under the trees and the copter came back to scare them out..This Is why many of us can state without hesitation those horses at Owyhee were pregathered and dropped into a location with little and NO water sources and why thy were suffering from heat exhaustion and dehydration…I Pointed this out to Tara as we discssed the pregather, I said I am not against this as traveling those many miles in 1 day is harder on the horses, but they must be dropped where there are water sources, because in Owyhee the temps were 100 and they were deydrated from the long pregather and needed water to recover..of course 2 hours later the appointed “observer ” arrived and denied that horses are ever pregathered..talk about ‘stupid”…I hope people don’t think these people come from our ranks…

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    • Sandra thanks for all these great posts. Can you say more about the appointed observer?? Who was this? You have a perfect situation there that was illustrated by the horses handling and then by the BLM attendee. To have this ‘observer’ show and deny what was in fact seen and verified at the time it was happening is excellent. mar

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      • Tara did not introduce him and I did not hear him introduce himself..late in the day as we were touring the holding facility and pens, I had asked Tom the manager there about the exceptionally quiet and docile attitude of these horses, and tom verifyied that and went on to explain the cold springs horses were quite the opposite, he chimed in, because he had been at the cold springs stampede and this is where i got the impression he has been working with the BLM as a volunteer, saying they could use some help on a project over there, and possibly he is from the Vale area…an older gentleman..but definately a AML spouter..follows the ‘save the horses from themselves” speel..which immediately got my back up. I am sure he will not be happy to see me at the last one which is I believe warm springs.

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    • Pre-gather observation — is there a way for observers to go out into the area prior to the round ups to document these pre-gathers? Or doesn’t the BLM notify where the trap site will be in time for public observers to organize?
      It would be incredible to get pre-gathers documented.

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      • I had talked to Tara a couple days before thurs..as they changed our meet time at the office to 4:30 am..and she was going out there to scout a location where they might set up the pens and a good spot to view it from..my understanding is that they tend to use the same areas used before..but it also depends on where significant amounts of horses are within an 8 mile range..and look for natural obstacles to help syphyon the horses to the gather pens…you would just have to head in and if you had been herd watching in there and were familiar with where the herds tended to be- could camp in there for a couple of days prior as they make flights in there approx 4 days ahead to a week or 2 depending on the size of the HMA and amount of horses to be gathered..It is antelope hunting season going on now..of course the helicopter has them stirred up in that area when the gather is going on..so wear orange and pretend you are Elmer Fud on a hunting trip..LOL

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  7. OK here’s what I am going to do– I have printed a copy of the Congressional letter that was signed by 54 members of Congress–5 pages— and will send it to Pres. Obama on Sept.7th –just after Labor Day– and put my name/address on page 1 –and a note reminding him that we are waiting and wanting some action……… if 1000 people send this… if he knows we are here…….and that we have seen this letter……if 2000 people send it and the White House is clogged by them during that week… we are the voters…… just an idea….

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      • That’s a good idea,too. For a little $ their own letter comes back to so many– and it shows that we ( thousands of us–I hope) have read the message and agree. And that we see it as a national concern–not just in the states where the wild ones live.

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  8. I am not sure i mentioned it, but the folks that owned the Lamb ranch where the gather pens were set up came throughout the day, first the father with 2 young sons, and i chatted with him and told him how lucky he was to live with wild horses on his ranch, and he agreed and I asked him if he had a favorite, and he told me there was a old gray mare, the only gray they had ever seen on the HMA..They bought the ranch 4 years ago and moved from Hawaii..they were just a terrific family concerned about the land and being good stewards and trying new methods to defeat the medussa head rye, which is worse than cheat grass, I asked alot of questions of his wife -she spent the latter part of the day out there with us, and she told me how the oldest boy had fallen in love with pluto( latter Tara told me they had showed interest in adopting the mare with the foal for him to grow up with, and that just made my day..a very young mustang recruit!) and pluto and his mom returning to their land . As younger familys are buying up these old ranches we may find we will lose some of the old prejudices, and have more compassionate folks to deal with..Not the old if you can’t it eat or sell it-kill it groups..I think this example is something we should keep in mind when we level critisisms at the ranchers..we may have new generations who value and understand the need to share in fair porportions, the wild horses are regularly on their property as they have 400 acres in the middle of public lands and allotments as well.

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    • If their favorite “old grey mare” was over 10 she falls under ‘sale authority’ and likely is in either heaven or hell today.

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      • They were very kind hearted people, much like ourselves ..it wouldn’t surprise me if they gave her a home on the ranch with their ranch horses..Nontheless, I told Tara, I would buy the old mare for them if they would give her a home, and asked her to pass it on…I was very pleased to hear they donot geld the old stallions, but return them to the HMA -knowing they will not live long anyway and don’t put them through that..I have been advocating this..and for old mares as well..but gelding 25 year old stallions is just horrible and torturous abuse..

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    • Well said, Sandra. Good information. Thank you. Maybe if we give credit to a portion of ranchers…as you pointed out…single them out as being *for the wild horses, we will get more ranchers joining on saving the wild horses. And not fall for the BLM bull. I saw a movie recently, forget the name, where the ranchers in wild horse country were heartsick over the brutal roundups and unable to do anything. A fictionalized film, but fiction IS based on truth.

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  9. Sounds like someone “cut and pasted” from some idiotic, boiler plate “HOW TO AVOID TRULY ANSWERING CONCERNED OBSERVER QUESTIONS” response sheet.

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  10. Thanks mar— just go to SFTHH Aug. 10,2010 paragraph 6 and click–it’s right there– and the signatures of all 54 congress people. This will probably cost under $1 to send by snail mail–but if we all do it , it will be a huge statement of our concern and solidarity.I Send it on Sept. 7th to the White House.

    I live on the east coast, but am truly concerned for these animals. Under Salazar’s mismanagement I will probably never get to see a “wild” horse.

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  11. The article is entitled ” Wild Horses Lose Again: Twin Peaks Stampede to Proceed”. paragraph 6 links to the letter and all 54 signatures. Aug.10,2010. If every one sends it on Sept. 7………..

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  12. Hi Louie— if we all send it on Tuesday the 7th they will arrive at the White House sometime during that week–maybe a few hundred per day—and I hope it gets noticed! It’s something we can do for pennies,doesn’t need a meeting,– personalize it with your own message and sign it—— from Your Name — a Wild Horse Advocate in — Your State. I’ve already told Obama that those signers are my heroes— and I will vote for them.

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    • Remember, for security reasons, all U.S. postal mail is screened once reaches DC. Due to screening, it can take weeks to get to Obama, Reps…etc.

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  13. Hi Ann, same here. We could have had one of them–Dennis Kucinich. He wasn’t even given much of a chance to respond when they were interviewing all of the nominees. The commentator kept passing over him. I read where he had to wear a bullet proof vest at one of the public events when he refused to back down from an attempted, corporate take over of one of the municipal plants in his state of Ohio. He can probably do more good where is, as a representative.

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    • Yeah we need some “really in touch with the American people” candidates for every office. What a mess the Gov’t and its agencies are. I’m haven’t been a very politically minded person– but the horror of these round-ups has un-nerved me–it’s like watching a holocaust film–herding the innocent to their deaths. My own animals are so coddled it’s ridiculous–but as I feed or put a dab of medicine on a “boo-boo”— I wish I could do it for every one of those animals–and tell them — we are here for you. And fighting for your freedom. Send those letters!

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  14. This has probably been a wake-up call for a lot of people. I have seen more alarm over these round-ups than I’ve seen in a long time. Trying to keep the public and humane observers away has only made it worse.

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