Forward by R.T. Fitch ~ Wild Horse Freedom Federation, Comment by GaryFish of the Utah Wildlife Network
Comment Author Makes Self Candidate for Retroactive Contraception
“Here it is a quiet dark, rainy January afternoon in Houston Texas and I was attempting to do some much needed post holiday cleanup on the ole computer when out of the blue, or better yet the dark, comes a Google Alert that poses the perverse and illegal question, “Would you hunt and eat a Wild Mustang?”
Drawn by the multiple counts of all that is wrong with that question I went ahead and clicked on the link only to find that if you took all of the most stupid, uneducated and morally disengaged people in the world and poured their slimy souls into a single melting pot you would end up with this whacked out fool who publicly posted the comment below. (This is one shallow gene pool that needs a whole LOT of Chlorine added.)
The comment speaks volumes to why we are where we are with the plight of equines in the United States as one rumor/lie simply seems to breed yet another and all truth is lost in the process. (It is true that lies reproduce at a rate of 20% annually and herds of lies/rumor double every 4 years).
And probably what is most horrifying when reviewing this glance into darkness is that the author, and his buddies, are allowed to both vote and breed…all of which makes me scared, very scared indeed.
Please comment at the Utah Wildlife Network on the fact that this topic never, ever should have even been brought up in the first place.” ~ R.T.
(Editorial Disclaimer: I have no opinion on this subject!)
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“Ifen you shoots me some Horse-Beef I would be obliged to eats it. Tomorrow we can try it on a dog, like ole Lucky, and the day after maybe even Gramps, just one day at a time, yum!!!”
To the question – I would not shoot one myself. I would be willing to try horse-beef.
Bottom line goes back to an old M*A*S*H episode. Col. Potter described that people don’t eat horses because they are beautiful animals. Not ugly things like cows or pigs. In my view, our lack of consuming horses in this country is an emotional connection to an animal that has other utility – riding, transportation, enjoyment – instead of just utility to provide us with food. In 4-H, kids might get attached to a sheep or steer, but still expected to sell it for butchering. However, if you do a horse or dog for your 4-H animal you are not required to sell it for meat.
I guess that in this country we just revere both horses and dogs above other animals. And I guess that is OK.
As for the mustangs, I believe the herds were in better health in most places when local ranchers managed them. Locals would select out horses that were then broke for use. Horses with undesirable traits were shot and removed from the gene pool. And other horses from ranches were turned back into the herds for genetic diversity and improvement of the blood lines. It wasn’t until these un-governed but effective management practices were outlawed that wild horse populations became problematic.
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>R.T. Fitch posted: “Forward by R.T. Fitch ~ Wild Horse Freedom Federation, Comment by GaryFish of the Utah Wildlife Network Comment Author Makes Self Candidate for Retroactive Contraception “Here it is a quiet dark, rainy January afternoon in Houston Texas and I was attemp” >
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This country is loaded with dumb asses who should be managed by the likes of the BLM (at least the 20 percent who support horse hunting and slaughter). They at the uncivilized ones who need to be gelded and/or sterilized so that no more of this gene pool will destroy our country. Open season on them and I’ll buy a license to hunt (the humans). Congress gets no better marks in my book either.
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I had a rather heated discussion with one such ” good ‘ol boy”… who was looking forward to the day he could legally stalk and shoot a mustang. It was rather disgusting as it was on a food forum…ughhh.
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Ignorants running rampant….the scary thing is that they are adding to the gene pool… Mom always said that man would destroy the earth, i think she was right.
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Like I always say, stupid people shouldn’t breed.
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I thank God that i have no kids to have to endure the future. I used to feel bad that i never could but what i see today makes me glad that none of mine will be around to witnesses the destruction of this earth..
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Horses were not just transport, but partners in battle, travel and many hardships. The relationship between humans and horses is thousands of years old. It is wrong to desecrate this relationship.
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I took a look at the GaryFish comment site and I don’t want my name connected to this mentally wacked out pack of king size A-Holes. You still have to register with them to comment. Not me.
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Does it give you the impression that being a “diamond member” of that group doesnt really require much brain power? Scary that they actually exist, and as Terri says, adding (not contributing) to the gene pool. I wouldnt want to register on that site either.
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Horse beef? Does anything else need to be said?
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There is something useful here as there were in the at times infuriating claims by pro-horse slaughter advocates that ranchers use drugs banned in all food animals on their cattle. We thought it was just well an empty argument until the FSIS 2010 Report on Residues in Beef was discovered confirming the fact that there is an issue with some beef produces illegally risking public health by applying drugs banned in food animals to cattle. In truth, it is more complex since in the case of Ivermectin, the application method for cows (topical) is different than for horses (paste) as well as the difference in the amount of drugs that are therapeutically given to a horse being much large than those given to a cow. Nonetheless, drugs banned in all food animals are found in a woefully inadequate testing program for substances banned in all food animals that are still found in testing for beef, and would likely be found more often were tests more effective and efficient. Know thy farmer.
Here is the important caveat above. I have heard for several years from a number of local horsemen, some of whom take vacations to ride in the West either on dude ranchers of herd cattle ala City Slickers, that ranchers have shot stallions and taken their harems home with them to breed with their own stock. According to my sources, sometimes the ranchers may produce as many as 200 animals from breeding wild horses with their ranch stock to improve the rancher’s stock. Of these 200 horses he has produced he may decide to keep five or six horses for himself and sell the rest for slaughter… I haven’t heard the bit about the rancher trying to prove the breed of wild horse yet. That’s a new one.
However, we need to save this little twit because it explains two things—-how wild horse herds grow beyond scientifically possible numbers in a relatively short time
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why ranchers and the BLM keep referrring to these horses as feral.
These foolish, foolish men claim that our wild horses are feral because either they or their neighbors or every rancher in their country has removed wild horses from their herd areas, bred them with their domestic stock, and then turned both our wild horses and the rancher’s “better????????????????” domestic back on the herd management areas.
The next question is of course whether the BLM’s need to gather these wild horses every other year is a tried and true assist given to the ranchers to get their horses rounded up and then sent off the slaughter. When the herds of wild horses come in do the BLMers know which horses are ranch stock and just send them to slaughter or if rancher Jones adds 35 horses to the herd and rancher Johnson adds 25 horses, but rancher Colley only adds 10, does the BLM remove 70 horses, any 70 horses, or just the ones from the rancher or do they then decide that they will 100 horses to earn a little silver belt money for Christmas????
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Ignoramuses Run Freaking ramped……………
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Maybe there is an ethical use for eugenics after all; and maybe these guys need to keep eating beef raised on roundup ready grass or that GM corn that causes those big tumors to grow in the stomachs of rats after four months.or two of that GM corn that recent studies show cause large stomach tumors in rats.
Speaking of eugenics and wild horses, someone needs to let the BLM’s veterinarian know that tomorrow would not be too soon for him to tell the shotgun goons that it is not necessary to kill a horse with a club foot in order to keep it from breeding.
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I looked at the comments—these guys have the collective intelligence of a lobotomized ant. Not worth the trouble, but I think that your post provides support for one of the issues we have some documentation on, but could use more. Particularly useful to tie into those roundups that were or will be held on private property where advocates cannot see what happens to the horses.
I suspect that the BLM was reluctant to use PZP for this very reason—hard to explain 50 more horses when the mares of the herd have been treated with PZP although they seem to have managed it with the Pryor herd.
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I wonder if the horse drugs stops peoples ability to have good ethical boundaries. Maybe it decreases knowledge of the world as one functional system. Karma has a way of getting people back for eating horse meat even when no one sees who hurt the horses.
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And then there’s the USDA:
http://horsebackmagazine.com/hb/archives/19986
USDA Conducting Census of Agriculture, Including Horses
January 7, 2013
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Reblogged this on angelfarm and commented:
This mind set justifies just about anything…
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Good Grief. Jeez.
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Such ignorance and insensitivity. What is needed today in America as a form of true progress is REFINEMENT in how we live, so that instead of keeping on keeping on with the same old same old destructive lifestyles we learn to actually try living in harmony with nature, including all the Rest of Life. I delve into this considerably in my book The Wild Horse Conspiracy, available on amazon.com and would welcome some feedback from you all.
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Wow. I am flattered you would quote me. Thanks for the acknowledgement. Let me tell you more about where I am coming from however.
I am not some random redneck, nor am I am ignorant about horses, or wild horses. I grew up in Idaho, where I grew a great love for wild horses. When I was 10, our family adopted two wild mustangs from the BLM – a mare and a colt. Both were highly intelligent horses, and the colt I considered a very close companion animal throughout my growing up years. Our family oft enjoyed locating, filming, and appreciating the majesty of wild horses. As I mentioned in the quote from our forum discussion, I would never kill one myself.
I had the privilege of growing up with wild horses. I have seen how the herds have been managed prior to BLM round-ups, and since. I have seen them change. I have seen many horses, and entire bands of horses, with genetic deformities struggle to stay alive, as they compete with livestock and other wildlife for forage. I’ve seen what wolves can do to wild horses as well. My opinions however are not ill-informed, ignorant, or stupid. They are based on a lifetime of first hand experience with wild horses, their environments, as well as research and analysis, not just things I read on the internet.
I have spent a career in environmental analysis (yes, I have multiple college degrees), in studying the many interactions of the ecologies of the Rocky Mountain West. In my profession, I am required to be as objective as possible in my analysis. And there are areas in Utah, Nevada, Colorado, Wyoming, and Idaho where there is not enough forage base to support the demands of wild horses, livestock, and other wildlife, most notably big game animals. And when that happens, the range degrades and none of the grazing animals win.
Now that said, there are several groups of people that have very tight, emotional connections to wild horses, livestock, and big game. And each feels their favorite should receive priority when forage base becomes scarce. And I respect that. In that regard, lovers of horses are no different that big game advocates or heritage ranchers.
But the point I made in our little discussion about horses in general – people are very emotionally connected to horses – which in all reality, is the reason we don’t consider them for table fare in this country. I understand this. I relate to this. I connect with this. I have had horses that I would no more consider eating these individuals than I would our family dog. But that connection I am willing to admit is fully emotional. And that is OK. But as a carnivoir that eats beef, pork, wild game, and other protein sources, if well-prepared horse were served to me, sure I would try it. Minus the emotional attachment, is it really any different than any other wild or domesticated meat source?
You may think this opinion is based on ignorance or insensitivity, but it is actually based on first hand experience, objective research and analysis, as well as my own emotions. Our Utahwildlife forum site is made up primarily of hunters. These are incredible people that love the outdoors, love nature, and do more personally and financially to help wild land habitats than any other group. Many of our group have and love horses. In a grander scheme however, many are very emotionally attached to a hunting lifestyle, just as horse people are attached to that lifestyle.Big game advocates would like to see more big game, and in a zero-sum world of finite forage base, wild horses are one more mouth to feed, as are domesticated livestock. As horse advocates, you can certainly recognize the desire to favor your preferred grazing animal, though you may disagree with the choice of what should be more favored. Thank you for allowing me to interject into your discussion.
GaryFish
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