The culling of the Canadian wild horses and why the PZP “solution” was a ruse: Gail Fagan of Help Alberta’s Wildies on Wild Horse & Burro Radio (Wed., 2/18/15)

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Wild_Horse_Burro_Radio_LogoJoin us on Wild Horse Wednesday (*SM), February 18, 2015

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Tonight, our guest will be Gail Fagan, spokesperson for Help Alberta’s Wildies (HAW), a group of concerned Canadians who have been fighting to save the remaining wild horses, called “wildies,” in Alberta, Canada.  The Alberta government’s Environment and Sustainable Resource Development (ESRD) is their equivalent of our Bureau of Land Management.

This group was founded by Darrell Glover, who flew over the eastern slopes of the Rocky Mountains and took aerial photos.  He was shocked at the loss of foals and yearlings he saw, yet last year, the Alberta government was going to capture and send to slaughter approximately 200 horses.  Glover exposed the lack of credible data by the ESRD.  The response from the public was amazing.  People volunteered, protested, camped out in -30 C weather, brought trailers full of hay, took bales on snowmobiles to the starving horses to draw them away from the traps. 5 people were arrested.  But in the end, only about 15 horses were taken.

Find out why things are so different this year, as another cull is currently taking place.  Could this happen here?

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Keep up with Help Alberta’s Wildies latest news on their facebook page.

an additional note from Debbie _ this is where you can write to the Alberta government to let them know you won’t be spending your tourism dollars there since they are removing the wildies:

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Tonight’s radio show will be hosted by Debbie Coffey, V.P. of Wild Horse Freedom Federation

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LISTEN TO ARCHIVED RADIO SHOWS:

11/6/13 – John Holland, President of Equine Welfare Alliance discussing the latest in horse slaughter issues. Click HERE.

11/13/13 – Marjorie Farabee, Director of Wild Burro Affairs for Wild Horse Freedom Federation, Equine Mgr. of Todd Mission Ranch (home of TMR Rescue) & founder ofWild Burro Protection League & Carl Mrozak, videographer. Click HERE.

11/20/13 – Simone Netherlands, founder of respect 4 horses, director & producer of the documentary “America’s Wild Horses.” Click HERE.

11/27/13 – R.T. Fitch, President of Wild Horse Freedom Federation and Ginger Kathrens, Founder and Executive Director of The Cloud Foundation, talk about the Salt Wells & Adobe Town roundups. Click HERE.

12/4/13 – Craig Downer, wildlife ecologist & author of “The Wild Horse Conspiracy” andRobert Bauer, Wildlife Biologist, debunk the BLM’s “junk” science about wild horses and burros. Click HERE.

12/11/13 – Ginger Kathrens, the Founder and Executive Director of The Cloud Foundation. Click HERE.

1/15/14 – Victoria McCullough, equestrian and CEO of Chesapeake Petroleum andJohn Holland, President of Equine Welfare Alliance, on stopping horse slaughter from being reinstated in the U.S. Click HERE.

1/29/14 – R.T. Fitch, John Holland and others honor wild horse advocate Garnet Pasquale, who dedicated her life to save the wild horses near her home in Nevada, with the Spring Mountain Alliance. Garnet’s dear friend, wild horse advocate and wildlife photographer Arlene Gawne, talks about Garnet, wild horses and the Spring Mountain Alliance. Click HERE.

2/5 – Carol Walker, Director of Field Documentation for Wild Horse Freedom Federationand filmmaker James Kleinart (theamericanwildhorse.com). Click HERE.

2/26/14 – Barbara Clark, founder of Dreamcatcher Wild Horse & Burro Sanctuary on the natural behavior of wild horses and burros. Click HERE.

4/1/14 – Marjorie Farabee, Dir. of Wild Burro Affairs at Wild Horse Freedom Federation, on endangered (thought to be extinct) Bonaire donkeys. Carl Mrozak, videographer, with advocates Rona Aguilar, and Al Catalfumo. Click HERE.

4/11/14 – Ginger Kathrens, the Founder and Executive Director of The Cloud Foundation. Click HERE.

5/28/14 – R.T. Fitch, President of Wild Horse Freedom Federation, along with Ginger Kathrens, on his trip to the Pryors with Ginger to find Cloud. Click HERE.

7/23/14 – Carol Walker, Dir. of Field Documentation for Wild Horse Freedom Federation, on the dire situation for wild horses in Wyoming. Click HERE.

7/30/14 – Milanne Rehor (Arkwild, Inc.) trying to save the last Abaco Spanish Colonial wild mare in the Bahamas. Click HERE.

8/6/14 – Palomino Armstrong, founder of CHILLY PEPPER – MIRACLE MUSTANG,that specializes in caring for CRITICALLY ILL, NEO-NATAL, SICK AND/OR INJURED FOALS. Listen HERE.

8/13/14 – Susan Wagner, President and co-founder of Equine Advocates, on investigations and the miserable lives of PMU mares (continually impregnated and turned into 4-legged drug machines to produce Premarin, PremPro and Premphase). Click HERE.

8/20/14 – Vicki Tobin, Vice President of Equine Welfare Alliance (EWA) and Daryl Smoliak, Board member of EWA. Click HERE.

8/27/14 – Karen McCalpin, the Exec. Dir. of the Corolla Wild Horse Fund. Click HERE.

9/3/14 – Debbie Coffey and supporter of wild horses & burros, Marti Oakley of the PPJ Gazette. Click HERE.

9/17/14 – R.T. Fitch and Carol Walker of Wild Horse Freedom Federation on the roundup of Wyoming wild horses. Click HERE.

9/24/14 – Wild horse advocate and world famous author Terri Farley (The Phantom Stallion series). Click HERE.

10/15/14 – Dr. Ray Kellosalmi, expert on the PMU (pregnant mare urine) industry and horse slaughter in Canada, and Scientific Advisor to the Canadian Horse Defence Coalition with Susan Wagner, the President of Equine Advocates in a special show forBreast Cancer Awareness Month. Click HERE.

10/22/14 – ELAINE NASH, founder and Director of Fleet of Angels, a network of people that helps transport equines to safety when their lives are in danger, and also the Keep America’s Wild Equines in America program.  Marjorie Farabee, Dir. of Wild Burro Affairs at Wild Horse Freedom Federation & equine mgr. (TMR Rescue, Inc.) Todd Mission Ranch.  Click HERE.

10/29/14 –  Carol Walker, Dir. of Field Documentation for Wild Horse Freedom FederationClick HERE.

11/5/14 –  Ginger Kathrens, the Founder and Executive Director of The Cloud Foundation  Click HERE.

11/12/14 – Shannon Windle, President, Hidden Valley Wild Horse Protection Fund in Reno, Nevada.  Click HERE.

11/19/14 – Carol Walker, Dir. of Field Documentation for Wild Horse Freedom Federation and Ginger Kathrens, the Founder and Exec. Dir. of The Cloud Foundation.  Click HERE.

1/7/15  – Marjorie Farabee, Dir. of Wild Burro Affairs for Wild Horse Freedom Federation, Equine Mgr. of Todd Mission Ranch (TMR Rescue) & founder of Wild Burro Protection League, on pending extinction of burros in America.  Co-Hosted by R.T. and Terry Fitch of Wild Horse Freedom Federation.  Click HERE.

1/14/15 – Jo Anne Normile, author of the book, Saving Baby and president of Saving Baby Equine Charity.  Click HERE.

1/21/15 – Ginger Grimes, Founder and President of Dust Devil Ranch Sanctuary for Horses in Utah and volunteer Julie Smith, who’s working to get a stronger animal protection law (called Elsa’s Law) passed in Utah.  Click HERE.

1/28/15 – John Holland, President of Equine Welfare Alliance, with an update on horse slaughter issues.  Click HERE.

2/11/15 – Ginger Kathrens, Founder and Executive Director of The Cloud Foundation,and Debbie Coffey, V.P. & Dir. of Wild Horse Affairs for Wild Horse Freedom Federation:  The PZP debate.  Click HERE.  

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35 comments on “The culling of the Canadian wild horses and why the PZP “solution” was a ruse: Gail Fagan of Help Alberta’s Wildies on Wild Horse & Burro Radio (Wed., 2/18/15)

    • Louie, I think you are right. It may be impossible to save our horses without saving the Canadian horses as well. This is all about the oil that was produced through the plants and animals that co-evolved here in North America and in similar areas in Europe after the two continents gradually separated as the ocean’s uplift caused rifting and allowed the ocean to seep in as the land moved apart. Once the continents split a lot of the land in both places was covered with shallow seas. One area ran from the Canada’s northern border through the middle of of the continent to the Gulf. This is the area around Alberta that is a rich source of oil as well as the area from Rock Springs Wyoming through the Wasatchian basin in Utah, with parts of Colorado’s northern slope and Idaho.

      The fact that there is so much scientific evidence—down to the microbial bacteria extracted from the bones of the 700,000 year old horse that proves E. caballus is a very old and wide ranging species that originated in North America and then dispersed to the rest of the world across land that existed because the Old World and the New World are connected through land bridges that connected the land in what is now the Arctic regions, but is not even on the IUCN’s list of species worthy of preservation indicates the first thing both countries need to do is get out of the sham that is the UN’s Environmental Programme. We didn’t elect these people and we can’t fire them, yet them are destroying our domestic animals and our native wild horses and burros for oil—-which is all totally unnecessary—if people were being honest about what they were doing and admitting that they were wanted the oil instead of hiding behind the curtain of the wizard of Oz.

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  1. Thank you for the VERY INFORMATIVE show tonight…. The similarities are disturbing. I appreciated your guest efforts to bring the true picture to light. Following and learning…..🙋🐴

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  2. The special interests behind these attacks on North America’s Wild Horses and Burros have no intention of letting them remain on Public lands
    It’s very clear that ALL Horses and Burros, wild or domestic, are up against an international cartel.
    It is going to take an International Coalition in order to put a stop to it.

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    • You are exactly right, Louie. I think it is also going to take the ability to reorder our priorities.

      One thing I discovered in my research that I have no idea how to feel about or what to do about is that when the House and Senate conference bills allowed meat inspectors for horse to be funded, we attacked Rep. Kingston. When I reviewed some of the Congressional record I found his statement in support of the Shackleford Wild Horse Protection Act where he clearly expressed an awareness of the National Parks Service role and the invasive species paradigm—which in the history of the Shackleford Banks horses is always the exotic species paradigm.

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      • Hoofhugs, your excellent research sure does point to some distinct possibilities as well as some lurking dangers that could have far-reaching negative impacts.
        “They” may have money and power but Right Is on our side.

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  3. Agree this will take a International Coalition to put a stop to this. Fighting these massive corrupt agencies that are more than focused to murder all the horses will take some time, in the meantime, please tell me is it possible to find safe private land for the horses while they wait for their public land grants back?

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    • Dominique, the wild horses and burros should be allowed to live on their federally protected Herd Management Areas. That is what we’re fighting for.

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      • Debbie, I found Senator Byrd’s September 23, 2009, Byrd’s Eye View on the ROAM Act—He stated that Congress provided 53 million acres for the wild horses and burros in 1971, but as of 2008, there were only 37,000 acres of that 53,000 acres left. His wording was revealing in that he said he wanted the BLM to have the right to continue to decide to keep the horses and the burros on the land where Congress intended them to be managed.

        The Federal Register shows that on December 20, 1973, FWS attempted to list all non-indigenous wildlife as injurious through expanding the purpose of the 1900 Lacey Act designed to protect plumed birds. There were over 4,000 public comments in opposition to this proposed rule change. Some accused FWS of attempted to create science fiction while others pointed out that FWS did not have the scientific expertise to make these judgments. There were several more attempts to use the Lacey Act including President Carter’s E.O. 11987, The Exotic Organisms Act, an amendment to the Lacey Act issued May 24, 1977, in response to the FWS and their NGO partners The Nature Conservancy and the International Union for the Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources. In 1981 the IUCN added a legal branch, and in 1982 after FWS still had made no headway including a thwarted attempt by NPS to remove livestock and wild horses. This became Article 8 (h) of the Convention of Biological Diversity which Canada agreed to, but we did not because President George H. W. Bush’s lawyers advised him that the treaty could interfere with private property rights. This infuriated Al Gore because his friends had been instrumental in drafting Article 8 (h) so it would include both our native wild horses and livestock. Yet, the whole alien, invasive, exotic species theory is based on flawed assumptions about nature. Before the oceans separated the continents, and even afterwards during extreme climate events, the continents have been joined through land bridges allowing a flow of plants and animals from one continent to the other for the purpose of insuring species survival in refugia. This is what the science shows. There is no science that supports any of the claims of the anti-exotics. Furthermore, the bad science is not limited to the exotic species construct but extends to the ESA. Fortunately, the mapping of so many genomes of various animals has helped shed much more light on the fact that there are far fewer species than previously mentioned, but far more subspecies. When one realizes that the ability for a species to mutate in the areas that allow the organism to adapt to changing environments and that these adaptations at the subspecies level as well as migration allow the species to survive in a constantly changing.

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      • Agree Debbie, but we are not winning this fight by a long shot, horse after horse is being murdered on a daily basis. I am only suggesting a safe haven for the horses we have left, until we can win their rights to the land back.

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  4. I too agree its time for an international coalition. The plight of all our horses is up for grabs. I keep calling my Legislators about this and they keep telling they are truly concerned. As I said to their office, if they are truly concerned, when will we see some action? I guess the only way to get them off their butts is to picket the offices individual in their district. We all don’t have the time or the funds to fly to Washington DC, but we may be able to grab a few horse friends, make some signs and show up at their offices. I think this might be good for some local news. Perhaps even put it on UTube. Right now our numbers are invisible because we are so spread out. The thought of any horses being sent to slaughter sickens me. Every American has the right to protest. My next thought is to select a number of pictures from roundups, pics from slaughter ads, enlarge them for posters. This country spends billions on bs and the government gets away with it. Expose this waste as well. Perhaps someone from the media will pick this up. It seems lately the media has taken news from here.

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    • I think there is concern, but the problem is that the only way to “see” this to find the fraudulet science and legal structure is to go back to the mid 1950’s pre-the wild horse Annie Act and work your way forward. However, the history of the Assateague Island horses and the North Carolina herds are the only ways to determine where the decisive points on the timeline prior to 2005 and the Burns’ rider are. I’ve read several articles on the private property rights violations based on a species or several species of prohibited plants or animals, and they never get to the parts the FWS, NPS, BLM, and FS provide related to wild horses or wild horses and burros. It’s hard to see this. understand the series of events and the maze of federal laws, international law, and executive orders that corrupt elected and appointed U.S. officials and their international NGO partners in academia (affiliated with the IUCN-UNEP) decided that what they wanted to do through President Carter’s E.O. 11987 would never be accepted by the American people and could not pass Congressional, public, and the scientific community’s scrutiny, so IUCN lawyers drafted Article 8 (h) that instructed parties to the conference to prevent, control, and eradicate alien species in states and parts of states where they were found to the extent practicable. The U.S. did not sign this treaty under Bush the Elder because his lawyers advised him that it could affect property rights. In contrast, President Clinton announced his intent to sign this treaty after being elected. When the Senate refused to ratify the treaty, President Clinton implemented Article 8 (h) through federal agencies such as FWS and NPS who have partnered with the same IUCN and TNC. The fact that these people celebrate native species and want to eradicate any species they decide is non-native species, not based on scientific fact but on the application of the Frankfurt School of Critical Theory–which allows the knower to attach his own values and experiences to the facts and thus change the truth regarding the facts—which some call falsehoods, fiction, fibs, myths, but exist in conflict with objective evidence. Although President Clinton failed to get Article 8 (h) ratified and thus have a sovereign international law to overturn the 1971 Wild Free Roaming Horse and Burro Act, the Clinton-Gore-IUCN team quickly rebounded and began negotiating with the FAO to see if their experts would consider including Article 8 (h) in the planned update of the 1979 update of the International Plant Protection Convention. In April of 1996, the FAO experts met in Rome and agree to include Article 8 (h) through synonymous language a the narrow, common purpose of both treaties. In July the IUCN and UNESCO met to discuss implementing Article 8 (h). They agreed that a funding group was necessary, and thus, the Global Invasive Species Program began in 1997 and lasted through 2009 or 2010 depending on which reference you consider authoritative. President Clinton created E.O. 13112, The Invasive Species Act in February 3, 1999, almost a year and a half before the Senate ratified the 1997 IPPC. E.O. 13112 sets up a invasive species council to create a national plan for invasive species. Although the key words in all of these different pieces change enough that the only way to know they are connected to the same group of species is to see he construct. The only way to understand that Article 8 (h) had to be included in an international treaty is to know that the 1971 Wild Horse and Burro Act had to be repealed in order for the anti-exotic alliance to get what they wanted when FWS tried to use the Lacey Act to do what stealth, deceit, determination, and manipulation of language allowed them to do outside the bounds of Congress, state legislatures, and the Constitution. The IPPC went into full effect in October of 2005. However, the Agricultural Risk Protection Act of 2000, P. L. 106-234, Title IV The Plant Protect Act (7 USC 7711) passed in 2000 had very similar wording. When passed, this law was set to expire at the end of December in 2005, but was actually extended through 2008, which would have coincided with the end of Bush the younger’s term. Remember in 2008 that the BLM had their high level meetings on how to kill horses. This was after the 2005 Burns amendment had been defunded through the appropriations process. What is not known at this time is whether or not President Bush the younger knew that President Clinton was doing through E.O. 13112 with the Invasive Species Act was the very same provision through international law that his father’s lawyers had warned him would endanger private property rights. There is evidence that he tried to save ranchers through an E.O. later ruled unconstitutional, but it is not known whether he realized horses were native or not. He went to Yale whose natural history museum received the horse and other fossil collections of Professor, paleontologist, and the second head of the U.S.G.S., O.W. Marsh are housed, so theoretically it is possible he could have been exposed to the history of the ancient horse in North America. it is also possible that he knew about the relationship between fossil horses and fossil fuel through the family’s multiple business ties. It is also possible that he believed everything President Clinton told him since President Bush’s mother appears to consider President Clinton her adopted son. Who knows? The same citizen working group was in place, and it is possible that President Bush may never have known the details. Bitter irony though for his father who suffered tremendous public humiliation from VP Gore and EPA head William Reilly. Finally, there are four chapters or parts of four chapters of UN Agenda 21 that have references to exotic species in them. Clearly, the inclusion of horse in North America would invalidate these goals for the U.S.

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  5. One step that could and should work is if the Senate repealed the 1997 IPPC based on the creation of scientific fraud with the intent of defrauding the American people of their private property rights and the land that Congress had allocated for the protection and preservation of wild horses and burros on public lands in the West.

    Fraud is basis to nullify a treaty.

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    • The wildlife organizations have alliances that are actively recruiting hunters, anglers, and outdoorsmen and women to lobby against protection of wild horses that they claim are not wild because their ancestors were domesticated. At the species level there is virtually no markers to separate wild horses like Przewalski’s horses from any other subspecies of Equus caballus. Geneticists in translocative medicine find there is no genetic difference in Przewalski that make them any different than other members of E. caballus. Geneticists find they share the 100,000 some species specific traits that all members of the species share.

      The science behind the entire alien, invasive, exotic, non-indigenous, feral, plant pest construct has been refused, but the IUCN-Nature Conservancy coalition can drum up a few hundred people who sound like they have scientific credentials or head groups that use science. It is almost impossible to find out whether they use science or ideological goals without looking at their research.

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      • Please tell me which Wildlife organizations are recruiting hunters and anglers, ect, so I make sure I share this information to others not to support these organizations. I do not see why weather these species being originally native to this continent has to do with anything, they have been here long enough and they are living, breathing, feeling animals, that’s all that’s important. They are just using these fallacy arguments over and over again to fill space, and because they can. So tired of this insanity from these corrupt apathetic killers. Their research cannot possibly be of a reasonable mans standard, only of a rancher or oil barons sick and greedy one. I am confused of why you would not be against the Keystone pipeline, as the lesser of evils? Are you considering there is room to negotiate some of the land for the horses? The other wildlife as well? So far, my impression is that they don’t care to save a single one of them.

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  6. Sorry, to be making so many comments, but it is because so much of what Gail said is consistent with the documents that appear to represent the origin of U.S. law through international law. I noted that Canada had a Native Canadian Fisherman’s Group that was active in 1972 and the Canadian oil executive that organized the first United Nations Conference on the Human Environment was a member of that group. The reason that the Canadian FWS is in charge of the decisions about species is because FWS is the agency of author under the CBD. Since Article 8 (h) came into force as part of the 1997 IPPC with the FAO as the expert group. Therefore, APHIS is the federal agency responsible for providing an authentic source. When I went through APHIS I found the link was tied to two New Zealand universities. The link was broken for 13 months. In the interim, I went through Massey University’s home pages where I discovered that the same paragraph listed in the same font, type, etc. In every way, the exact same paragraph that included E. caballus with only one caveat. Under the blurb were the words: For New Zealand only. No wonder the link was broken. `

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  7. Alberta Canada seems to have very similar issues as the United States when it comes to abusing the land, flora and fauna (including our wild ones) in trade for power and greed. Here is a link to take a look at and toward the bottom of the article you will see a map of the oil/gas lines that criss-cross Canada, including Alberta.

    http://www.lighthawk.org/what-we-do/blog/tar-sands-personal-view
    The photos show the magnitude of the destruction and I quote from the article, “At the scale we observed, it is hard for me to think of Tar Sands oil extraction as anything less than a declaration of war against our planet.”

    PS You may recall that this is the same volunteer organization that has helped with numerous INDEPENDENT population counts of wild horses and burros on OUR American public lands.
    http://www.lighthawk.org/what-we-do/blog/wild-horses

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    • Grandma Gregg, when I heard that an individual whose made most of his money from oil and coal and was currently using the Canadian tar sands as a source for his business but is exporting the product across Canada, it struck me as the height of hypocrisy. So, I began asking why someone who apparently had no problems at all with extracting the substance would oppose building a pipeline across the U.S. This led me to revisit the articles around the deals between Secretary Salazar and the El Paso Land Co. to build a pipeline through pristine wilderness right through a native American burial ground, sage grouse habitat and five wild horse management areas in Nevada. The Ruby Pipeline could have been built through the existing utility corridors, but Secretary Salazar chose to cut right through never disturbed wilderness. The relative silence for a project that BP owned at least one third of the possible volume in July 14, 2010, while dolphins were dying in the Gulf felt like a double whammy to my sense of environmental justice. Now BP has a new owner and Secretary Salazar and Bob Abbey are working for BP officially. I looked up a map of pipelines that are currently criss-crossing the country, and I was surprised that there were as many as there are. While it may seem like a contradiction right now, I support the Keystone Pipeline because I believe that this project has a possibility to help save our horses from the forces that have had them in their sites for, possibly the last 70 or 80 years. I think there is a strong case to to be made for dating this to at least the mid-1950’s based on what led Velma Johnson to get the first federal protections for wild horses in 1959.

      As far as can tell the removal of wild horses and burros from North American public lands has been about acquiring fossil fuel resources and controlling who profits from them. If federal land management agencies cared a thing about managing healthy grazing lands or healthy grasslands whether they are grazed or not, the horse would be the last species removed–not the first. The only fact that I’ve heard out of the BLM was their opinion that building a shelter within the long term holding facilities would lead to greater incidents of injuries is consistent with what domestic horse managers have found in areas with pastures large enough support 20 to 30 horses, not so much for pastures for five or six horses. One statement our of the stifling number of false myths and mythical facts. . .

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      • HH, thanks for your massive homework and expertise. I hope you are a lawyer somewhere who can take your evidence forward in a constructive way. You’ve got me breaking my vow to stop blogging since I have one question. You wrote this:

        “As far as can tell the removal of wild horses and burros from North American public lands has been about acquiring fossil fuel resources and controlling who profits from them.”

        Perhaps I am a dull blade but I still don’t see any direct connection here. How can a band or two of freely roaming horses ever create any issues for people removing and profiting from mineral extraction? They create no more hazards than any deer or elk herds do, won’t be interested in grazing disturbed well pads, and don’t use any of the extracted resources themselves. Clearly our government allows leasing within horse areas so they also don’t see a conflict either. Profits are based on the cost of lease, the cost of extraction, and the achievable sale price for production. Again, horses don’t influence or interfere with any of this that I can see. If they drink toxic frackwater they will die, as any wildlife would, but this also is of minimal concern to our government.

        So I don’t see how wild horses in any way restrict access or profits to those wishing to legally extract mineral resources on our public lands. Since fossil fuels include no doubt a great many long-dead equids, perhaps a case could be made that that industry should support INCREASING wild herds to eventually create more fossil fuels for future generations?

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    • Louie, I think it’s fair to say there are far more hikers, hunters, mountain bikers, photographers, campers, outfitters, birdwatchers, kayakers etc. than wild horse watchers on public lands. Even if all the wild horses and burros were removed the recreational traffic would scarcely diminish… in fact it is increasing in all seasons where I live anyway.

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      • Hoofhugs, it would be good to know that you are right, but there is something very disturbing in the works…..militarization of Public lands. It is happening as we speak.
        Public lands are now included in the National Defense Appropriations Act.
        The bill was passed.

        Open Letter to Congress
        December 8, 2014

        The National Defense Appropriations Act (NDAA) set for a Senate vote this week contains language that will forever change the West. Renewal of many grazing permits would be exempted from public oversight and environmental review by being tucked in with a sprawling public lands package, undermining the already inadequate public lands grazing management performed by federal agencies

        It cannot be overstated: the new laws would mean that the BLM and
        Forest Service must continue status quo grazing regardless of the environmental laws being violated until the agencies have sufficient funding (or inclination) to do otherwise.

        If this seems like a bad dream, it is. Congressman Raul Labrador and
        Senator John Barasso snuck the language of the Grazing “Improvement” Act (GIA) into this must-pass defense bill. The GIA would severely limit the ability of the American people to hold the agencies accountable for impacts to clean water, imperiled wildlife and plant species, soils, and sensitive cultural sites.

        I and many other American citizens OPPOSE the inclusion of the public lands
        package in the NDAA because of the industry giveaways and problematic
        anti-conservation language.

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      • War games over Washington National Forest…despite Public protest

        Navy plans expansion of war capacity in Pacific Northwest
        http://www.cascadiaweekly.com/currents/navy_plans_expansion_of_war_capacity_in_pacific_northwest

        War Games
        For many, the concern is not just where Growlers arrive and depart, but where they go.

        With increasing frequency, the Navy conducts its exercises in electronic warfare over the Olympic National Park and Olympic National Forest on the peninsula, a program the military wishes to expand along with new aircraft out of NAS Whibdey.
        As journalist and war correspondent Dahr Jamail notes, “These protected national commons are also the areas in and near where the U.S. Navy aims to conduct its Northwest Electromagnetic Radiation Warfare training program, wherein it will fly 36 of its EA-18G Growler supersonic jet warplanes down to 1,200 feet above the ground in some areas in order to conduct war games with 14 mobile towers.
        “What is at stake is not just whether the military is allowed to use protected public lands in the Pacific Northwest for its war games, but a precedent being set for them to do so across the entire country,” he notes.

        If approved by the U.S. Forest Service, the Navy would use 15 sites in the Olympic National Forest for electronic warfare training that involves communications gear on the ground and EA-18 Growler jets searching for signals in the air. The equipment would emit levels of electromagnetic radiation, similar to cellphone towers or TV news trucks. According to the proposal, training exercises over wilderness, communities and cities across the Olympic Peninsula could occur for 260 days per year, with exercises lasting up to 16 hours per day. Eight more sites could be used in the Roosevelt and Okanogon National forests east of the Cascades.

        The key addition are ground units, including trucks, that emit electromagnetic radiation that could harm wildlife and the public at high exposures, the Navy admits in its report.

        The Navy’s environmental study acknowledges that the training could have consequences for several protected species, such as the northern spotted owl and the marbled murrelet. Grizzly bears, gray wolves and Canada lynx also are known to prowl near the proposed training site in Okanogon National Forest.

        Studies cited by the Navy say electromagnetic radiation could affect nesting success and sleep patterns among birds. Other studies suggest bird navigation is particularly sensitive to electromagnetic bombardment.

        Comments from Olympic Peninsula resident Karen Sullivan, former US Fish and Wildlife biologist.
        http://www.kcandassociates.org/Violations%20of%20Law%20-%20Navy%20EW%20and%20Forest%20Service%20Sullivan%20Nov.%2014%202014.pdf

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  8. Australia’s Wild Brumbies should also be included
    From AMERICA HERDS

    Musings (excerpts)
    http://americanherds.blogspot.com/2008/01/musings.html

    Over the last few months, Australia has found itself in the news again through a series of articles that has exposed plans to shoot as many as 14,000 wild horses or brumbies, as they are called down under, in order to protect Australia’s native species and habitat.

    After reading the most recent release, “Kill All Wild Horses In Australian National Park: Environmentalists”, I was drawn to philosophical musings……

    First, there seems to be an amazing amount of similarities in contradictions with this article as those so often seen in American print when it comes to wild horses, burros and habitat.

    And then trots by the “feral” horse….. a reminder of a species we enslaved and forced to help us build the very things that now enslave us.

    Perhaps there is jealousy that the horses and donkeys can still live for free, easily making almost any area “home” without having to pay their debt to society like the humans, livestock, or hunted animals must do.

    Or maybe it comes from resentment and the fact that the truest “feral”, non-native, exotic species on the planet is mankind itself, as there is no natural habitat for us – no place to call home – only what we fashion and forge through stripping these very ecosystems now held hostage by our insatiable needs.

    Perhaps because man has so readily bonded with equines, it is easier for those who cry for their eradication to project their own subconscious shame and participation in the destruction of our earth on the “feral populations”, hoping that killing “brumbies” or donkey’s can somehow quell the demons of their inner landscapes they are too comfortable to confront.

    For now, I am only left to wonder…

    As the ground soaks up the blood of the “feral” horses shot at Kosciuszko, their screams of pain finally falling silent and their rotted bodies eventually fading into history, will those that walk the grounds breath in the fresh air and smile at how peaceful everything looks, never wondering how the bones they step on got there?

    I also speculate on the purpose of, “Kill All Wild Horses In Australian National Park: Environmentalists”, as it provides an inflaming title designed to invoke passionate reactions, spark controversy and add fuel to the already raging debate as the media defines the battle lines of our opposition for us in a predictable pattern of oppo-same drama.

    Divide and conquer – the “environmentalists” and the “sentimentalists” – crafted to cleave us from each other by obscuring the heart of the matter and what matters to both sides most, the preservation and protection of life! As we point our fingers at each other, we both become easy prey for the exploitative agendas of those who really pull the strings.

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  9. Anyone care to comment on hunters allowed to kill horses in Utah?https://www.facebook.com/225598740853762/photos/a.315784881835147.72724.225598740853762/511384938941806/?type=1&theater “Chines trophy hunters kill a wild Mustang horse in Utah, USA and claim the government “encourages” the hunting of them.

    They also used dogs fitted with GPS trackers to chase a bear up a tree then they shot the bear out (after chasing a terrified mother bear and her cubs up a tree). They also killed a stag as well.” One comment, “Kathy Grant I worked very closely with the BLM in Canon City, CO when I lived there. You just don’t know all that goes on there…it’s horrible.” All Wildlife is being attacked and killed by BLM, F&W, we need to gather forces now to stop!

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      • I don’t know, the original link has been deleted, I am wondering this myself, looking to see if anyone else had seen this or knows if the BLM actually approved or encouraged the hunting of our public horses? With proof, this would make a heck of a lawsuit.

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